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Glitter Meetups

Time: 9:00am EST / 1:00pm UTC+0

Where: IFF Mattermost Square Channel. Email us at [email protected] if you need an invite.

What: This VPN Glitter Meetup is part of the IFF VPN Village program. We want to hear from our community on what issues or questions they have when using VPNs in their respective regions. The goal of this meetup is to provide the community with a place to map out challenges and brainstorm on possible next steps that we can do collectively as a community. To enhance this, we will invite a few key VPN researchers to participate and provide guidance. This is a chat-based meetup.

Topic of discussion: VPN

This is the VPN Glitter Meetup, part of the IFF VPN Village. We dedicated this Town Hall to brainstorm our questions and concerns about VPNs, as well as working on teams to specify what are the needs of the community.

Questions, needs and concerns:

  • What VPNs protect you from?
  • What do VPNs offer beyond what HTTPS does?
  • How does Intra work?
  • More information about WEPN?
  • How to figure out who is good or not: how do you know if they log? What is Outline? Why is everyone talking about it?
  • Should we be recommending VPNs or Tor? Or both?
  • Why is DNS + VPN on Linux so headache-inducing every single time?
  • More discussions about DNS over HTTPS (particularly on android)
  • Is it worth it to run your own VPN if you are a non technical person?
  • What is the experience of the community with Outline: what troubles do they have? Pain points. Do servers get blocked?
  • What countries block VPNs? How can we track that?
  • How do VPNs really work? (in one sentence or a neat analogy besides"tunnel")
  • If you wanted to run your own VPN, either at home or on a server you own, what would be your biggest concern?
  • For commercial / third-party hosted VPNs, how do we know if they are living up to their data / zero-knowledge commitments?
  • What good resources can we use to find VPNs in general?
  • Is it legal to use Intra in the UAE and other countries where VPNs are forbidden? (Intra is not a VPN, it doesn't redirect traffic)
  • Are there "free" VPNs that we can trust? If not, why?
  • Why do people want to run their own VPN?
  • What VPNs are circumvention-forward? (Least likely to be blocked)how do these VPNs manage that?
  • Do you always use a VPN?
  • What are the legal consequences of using a VPN?
  • How do countries block VPNs? (Or are they just illegal, but not blocked?)
  • Do people feel safe using VPNs? (IN a local sense - as in, from repercussions)
  • Best practices around VPNs for users: Always on? Find one provider and stick with them? Host my own?
  • What are the cases in which we should recommend to use a VPN for?
  • More VPN concerts from the IF Community here


Some of the things that the community would like the VPN Industry to adapt in the future.

  • The VPN industry is full of shady practices/communications. They would like to see some kind of standards for signaling which VPNs are trustworthy. A good example is CDT's attempt to do work at industry norms setting. They made good initial progress but got stymied by VPNs not really wanting to go further.
  • More transparency on where the VPN endpoints are located, if they have security audits, are their logging practices known?
  • It is often not clear for non technical users what accounts for a trustworthy VPN and what are the different factors that one needs to look into for choosing VPNs
  • There is a need to make VPN apps cute (like TunneBear). Many apps seems intended to hackerish type of people


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